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Laggy's avatar

Is there any component of classic virtue signaling here? Are they parroting, or are they transposing the philosophy onto a modern canvas?

Genuine questions.

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I want to clarify a few things about metamodernism, at least from my point of view (which I think is relevant because I've discussed metamodernism on your podcast!)

This whole "descriptive" vs. "prescriptive" thing. I think people have latched onto this distinction too hard. And maybe that stems from failing to make a different, more important distinction: Between metamodernism as a phenomenon, and the field of study that is the observation of metamodernism. From my POV, "metamodernism" is not the set of people who talk and write about metamodernism, nor the set of concepts that we use to understand metamodernism. It's the set of phenomena out there in the world that have metamodern qualities.

So metamodernism is not you and me thinking about metamodernism. It's all the movies and songs and TV shows and novels and, yes, social media figures such as the Hegelian E-Girls. Some of these things have a prescriptive dimension and some do not, but that's not a really interesting distinction. Nobody in academic metamodernism research has declared that for a thing to be metamodern, it has to refrain from urging people to do or believe certain things. There is nothing inherently un-metamodern about "prescribing." If you are prescribing ideas that are metamodern, then your project is metamodern. If you are prescribing ideas that are not metamodern, than your prescriptive project is not metamodern.

Meanwhile, I would point out that the main original kickstarters of the metamodernism discourse, Tim Vermeulen and Robin van den Akker take pains to say that the metamodern oscillation they are interested in is DIFFERENT from the Hegelian dialectic. That it involves an ongoing, repeated back-and-forth flip flop between (modern and postmodern) poles, that does not land in the middle, and does not necessarily move "forward" and does not achieve a synthesis. Jason Storm's understanding and definition of metamodernism is not necessarily "wrong" but it should be noted that it is a departure from how most academics use the term, and he himself asserts that he has made little effort to be consistent in his usage of the term with how other established writers have used it.

But this does not mean that the Hegelian E-Girls are not metamodern! I think that their self-description as you've quoted it sounds more metamodern than Hegelian! And, in any case, the oscillation between apparent superciality and depth and other dynamics you've pointed out make them potentially metamodern (in their project -- I generally cringe at the idea of a whole person "being" metamodern, postmodern, etc.), regardless of the "Hegel" part.

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